Using a DBN Ottoman army

 Saturday 31st October 2020 - Ottoman Turks v 1802 French

Ottoman Forces:
2     Ms(M)          (Janissaries)                                                         1
1     LI(M)           (Light Infantry trained by Janissaries)                0.5
2    Ms(M)          (Sekhans - Irregular Provincial Militia)               1
2    Ms                (Sekhans - Irregular Provincial Militia)               2
1    Jg                  (Rayas - Skilled Peasant Huntsman)                  0.5
8     LEM            (Fellahin - Mass Conscripted Peasant Militia)     2
1     HC               (Suvarileri – Regular Guard Cavalry)                  1
2 *    LC             (Suvarileri – Regular Line Cavalry)                     2
2 *    LC(M)      (Sipahis - Militia Cavalry)                                     1
2     FA(M)                                                                     

12 AP but 23 elements

 

Initial dispositions - I split the fellahin into 2 groups with 4 'sacrificial' elements on the left.  In the centre I put the HC/LC Suvarileri (as required by the rules).

 

Midway through the game I had lost all my fellahin (but only 2 had run away).  It's a good job that they don't count for losses.  My left flank was no more.  On the right I had gained ground and was slowly picking off the French.

 

It was a tense ending where both of us were waiting for the last, crucial, loss.  The French were beaten.

The fellahin had been surprisingly useful but brittle - if they didn't flee after the first fight they got a shaken marker then died in the following round.  Best to use them to absorb all those nasty metal slugs I think!  

A far bigger restriction was for the Suvarileri - they never got into action.  I could have set up with them in the front line but the enemy would have just cut them down.  The next time I field this army I will leave them at home.  The points can be better spent elsewhere - maybe some Mamlukes!

As regards the Janissaries - one element became fellahin whilst the other stayed as Ms(M).  Surprised that these are compulsory given the number of Ottoman forces that were under regional leaders - who did not use them.  May need to develop a separate list.

Will definitely keep the Rayas (and probably double them) - very effective shooters.

An interesting scrap that took about 2 hours to play (a lot of rule checking took place).  

For comparison here's a couple of battle reports from Mr Farrow:

https://mrfarrow2udba1519k.blogspot.com/2016/03/dbn-ottomans.html
http://mrfarrow2udba1519k.blogspot.com/2012/07/dbn3-brits-vs-ottomans-1811-2nd-battle.html

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It's been a long time since I last blogged (3 months) so, maybe, I need to catch up a bit!

                                                                

Bits & Pieces! Bits & Pieces! (Pt.1)

If you have just started foot-stomping you are as old as me. 

 These are the Gasgans missing from my last post.  When I took the photo I hadn't realised that one element was already voting with its feet!

So for the past week or so I have been painting up oddments and going through my 'repairs' tray. 

Asian War Wagons from Rod Felderman in the states - 3D printed....plus some camp elements.  The middle is sheep and goats whereas the one on the left shows a pig about to get the chop!

These Kn(X) are some old Minifigs - Alexandrian companions I think.  I have re-purposed them as 'generic' cataphracts for my book 2 DBA (v3.0) armies.

Unfortunately the camera focus went out at this point as I allowed the batteries to run down too much. That will teach me to do maintenance more often.  When I dig out the manual I will be able to re-set the lens and photograph the other items that have been completed.

Talking of DBA armies Ian and I carried out an exercise to see just how many we could 'fudge'.  Turns out that books 1 & 4 have the lowest representation (no surprise there) with book 2 the highest (146 out of 192).  It's now a question of searching for filler troops e.g. leather-coated Chinese.

Not quite going stir crazy yet but I feel it coming.

Egyptians, Latins & DBA Book 2

(A)  New Kingdom Egyptians - Progress Report

I finally got around to painting the remaining 15 elements of Libyan Wb(F) plus 4 x Gasgan Wb(F).  This will provide the punch necessary for this downgraded army. 

Tarted up the Shardana/Sherden and the Libyan archers as well.  Still looking around for suitable Lh(I) for the one permitted element - Oh well!

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(B)  Latins - more candidates

Whilst looking for DBA army fill-ups (more later)  I came across the 15mm manufacturer Xyston.  It has a few candidates for Latin armies:

ANC20157 - Oscan Javelinmen with Scutum (8 in 4 vars)  £4
ANC20158 - Oscan Armoured Infantry with Hoplite Shield (8:4)  £4
ANC20159 - Apulian Infantry (8:4)  £4
ANC20170 - Campanian Hoplites (8:4)  £4
ANC20250 - Roman/Italian Peasants (8:4)  £3.75

If you want to search for yourself try this page:

https://www.scotiagrendel.com/Xyston/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=2_3

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(C)  DBA (v3.0) - Book 2

Carrying out an exercise to see which armies Ian & I can field.  Out of 192 armies I can field 108 of them.

Of the rest 15 are in the 'Not Quite' category:

4b - Yueh Chinese [need 4 x 3Pk]
4d - Other Chinese [as above]
4e - Other Chinese [need 1 x 3Bd]
5f - Phokian [need 1 x stone-thrower]
21a - Ch'iang & Ti Chinese [need 2 x armoured tribal 4Ax]
21b - Ch'iang & Ti Chinese [same as above]
22c - Hatra [need 1 x cataphract camels or 1 x art]
28a - Tigranes [need 2 x cataphracts]
28b - Other Armenian [as above]
28d - Gordyene [as above]
39b - Celtiberian [need 6 x scutarii 3Bd]
44 - Commagene [need 2 x cataphracts]
46a - Kushan [need 2 x cataphracts]
46b - Kushan [as above]
46c - Kushan Kidarite [need 3 x cataphracts] 

 Looking at the Xyston site I found some 'likely lads' to fill in some of the gaps:

ANC20199 - Celtiberean Warriors (8:6)  £4
ANC20112 - Phokian Stone Thrower (4 crew)  £4  [other artillery is available]
ANC20285 - Parthian Cataphract Command (1stC) on Camels (3:3)  £4.50
ANC20286 - Parthian Cataphract Command (2ndC) on Camels (3:3)  £4.50
ANC20292 - Parthian Cataphracts (2ndC) on Camels (4:4)  £4.50

 Peter Pig also has: 72. Parthian cataphract camels (4)

Have found some old Minifigs that I can convert into 3 x 'Armenian' cataphracts.  So that only leaves the Chinese - maybe Essex!

Ian has the vast majority of the Romans and their enemies so that leaves only the Persians & Kappadokians that neither of us can manage.  Not a bad result and completely opposite to the Book 1 review.

 Looks like I will be painting 15mm figures in the near future!

In Search of...The Gasgans

Mentioned in four of the DBMM Book 1 lists: 

(4) Zagros & Anatolian Highlanders [full army]
(20) Syro-Canaanite & Ugaritic [ 2 x Irr Wb(F) ]
(22) New Kingdom Egyptian [ 4 x Wb(F) ]
(24) Hittite Empire [ ^ 9 x 2h chariots; ^ 9 x Irr Ps(O) archers or slingers; ^ 12 x Irr Wb(F) ]

Trying to search on the internet for Gasgans didn't result in much...until I put in the alternative names for these people...Kaska or Kaskians.  Even then it was pretty much only Wikipedia (and copies thereof) that gave me anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaskians

Seems like they wore little other than animal furs and boots.  Bows, javelins and shields were the weapons of choice but I have no doubt there would be many slingers..

Among 15mm manufacturers only Khurasan has any dedicated figures (shown above) :

http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/gasgan.html

Khurasan gives them skirts and the royal bodyguard a sort of Villanovan crested helmet.

If you are willing to look a little further 'abroad' there is quite a bit more information on Anatolian highlanders:

http://www.warlordgames.com/history-highland-tribes-of-the-zagros-mountains-gutians-and-lullubi/
http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=206594 [Mysterious Guti]

Warlord Games have some 'highlander' figures available but I don't know the scale (and finding out is not easy).

https://gamewire.belloflostsouls.net/new-early-highlander-axemen-and-javelinmen/
Other pages on Warlord Games (main site) have archers, slingers & proto-chariots.

Given that I am seeking to add 4 elements to my NKE (20mm) army I had to dive into Plastic Soldier Review for help.

HaT 8132 - Sumerian Infantry - some of the javelinmen

Both need shields adding, boots painted on and (for the Lullabi) trimming but that is do-able (even for me).  Whether I will have 12 figures in my stockpile is another matter.

HaT 8121 - Assyrian Allied Infantry - only some of the bowmen (and not suitable for the royal guard).

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Just coming off my painting table are more 20mm Libyans and Nubians. As I now have a surplus of both these nations I am thinking about forming some DBA v3.0 armies.    We shall see!

Under Conversion

From Armati to DBM - carrying out a conversion.

The full Armati army - sorry about the quality of the picture.

I have started sorting out my house.  It's an ambitious project as the 'spare bedroom' is a step back into the Victorian/Edwardian era. You expect a 'very humble' shopkeeper to appear at any time. 

The main bedroom has also suffered from years of 'I'll just put it down there'.  In addition half of the attic is devoted to wargaming materials and the rest is....who knows! (I'm not that brave!).

First step was to remove all I could from the 'master bedroom' - figures going upstairs and unused books to the 'store room'.  So far, so good provided that I don't actually need to breathe in the smaller room.

Second task was to clear the walkway in the attic.  This involved putting all my figures into boxes and filing them into eras - from Ancients to WW1 (East Africa). Fantasy was tagged onto the end.  I felt rather pleased with myself for achieving that.

Third task is where I hit a road bump.  In the 'Ancients' section I sorted the biggest boxes first - 20mm Egyptian, Trojans, Sea Peoples, Medes, Assyrians and Sumerians.  I originally built out the first two to full Armati size with all the options.  Since I never really liked that set of rules those troops have languished in dark obscurity for almost two decades.  So what to do with them?

As I still play DBM the logical approach was to carry out a conversion....Hmm!  Like everything else in life nothing is ever that straightforward.  The earlier DBM NKE list diverged only slightly from Armati but the DBMM 2016 version is a new animal entirely. 

DBMM (2016)1.22 - New Kingdom Egyptian 1543 - 1069 bc

Waifs & Strays - another poor picture.

(a) Surplus to requirements (not on the DBM list):

(Hittite) 8 x 4 spearmen
(Nubian)  4 x 3 Wb(F)
(Generic) 3 x 7 Hd

(b) Compulsories - 1 have all of these except - 8 x TF   (which I can improvise).                

(c)  Optional Elements (shortfalls):

4 x 2h, 2c, LCh            
1 x Irr Lh(I)           
8 x Reg Ax(O) or Reg Bd(I)       
4 x Reg Bd(X)           
8 x Reg Bw(I)           
4 x Reg Ps(O)           
6 x (SC) Irr Ax(O)/(I) or Ps(I)   
8 x (NSC) Irr Ps(O) bow       
4 x (LPB) Irr Ps(I)           
8 x TF               
4 x Irr Bts(S) Bari           
4 x (SC) 2h, 2c LCh           
4 x (G) Irr Wb(F)           
2 x (A) Reg Ax(I)           
2 x Reg Bd(O) Shardana       
26 x Reg Bd(F)           
16 x (L) Irr Wb(F)           
16 x (S) Irr Bd(O)(F) Sherden   
20 x (SP) Irr Bd(F)                               

Of course I don't need to build out the entire army this time just a workable 450 ap.  That means I will have to paint up some Wb(F) - Libyans are the easiest. Caesar are the only manufacturer that I could find but that line has been discontinued.  After much searching on the internet I have ordered two boxes - that should give me enough for 16 x 3 Wb(F) = 48 figures.

Next job is to work out a good DBM army - maybe Chris or Andy could help there?

Keep Safe and don't go stir crazy!!!
(Wasn't there a song called "They're Coming To Take Me Away Ha! Ha!"?

Of Chariots & Spies

6 x 4h 'Chinese' chariots Hch - converted from Early Carthaginians.  [the 'before' picture is two posts earlier].  No pretense at representing any particular dynasty they are just generic.  Of course there should be 3 crew but I cannot fit the extra bod in.

Next off the painting table will be 10 x Early Carthaginian 4h Hch (proper ones this time). 

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One of the Harry Palmer series but I didn't get the vibes of that character when I was reading it.  Not one of Len Deighton's best I fear. 

Unfortunately I am nearly out of , non-PDF, reading matter but have some on order - wait and see!

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Isolation has meant that I am doing various jobs that have been put off for years - clearing my garden for example.  Trouble is I have filled my garden bin - no collections until further notice and the tips are shut as well.  Bit of a log jam!

Sorting out my loft has shown just how many unpainted figures (metal and plastic) I have awaiting my attention.  Also a load of terrain pieces half done.  Have plenty of paints but many have dried out a bit.  Any suggestions as to how to resurrect them?

Anyway....on with the motley!

Some Painting Done

Yes, I have been painting again:

(a)  8 elements of Thracian peltasts - Forged in Battle WE-TH06 Thracian Light Infantry. 
[Sorry the picture is a bit dark].   I will definitely purchase the other peltasts box in due course.

I actually fielded them at the last club meeting but they were unfinished at the time (cries of Shame! Shame!). Now I have enough painted figures for a full early Thracian DBM army.  At the last battle Andy and I managed to break one enemy (Early Carthaginian) command for a winning draw.

(b)  3 elements of Hittite spearmen/pikemen - re-based & inked.  Ian did the primary painting.  Only need 1 x 2h chariot to have all the Hittite DBA options.

(c)  6 elements of 4h Chinese chariots - [picture in a previous post] - re-painting, sourcing crew, re-basing - nearly finished.

 In the queue:

- 10 elements of 4h early Carthaginian chariots - only assembly and minor touch-ups required.

After that:

- a mass of damaged figures/models in the 'repairs' box

- quite a number of part-painted figures including Carolingian cavalry & NW [Red] Indians

- a ridiculous amount of bare metal & plastic

Publications

Trying to read the Brown book on the Qajars but I much prefer a paper book in my hands to a pdf on the screen.

"Portable Colonial Wargame " by Bob Cordery - another pdf (if I like the book I will get the printed version).  Thinking about using this on a PBEM basis.

Misc

Tabletop Simulator - this weekend Steam had a half-price sale.  There is an independent group working on DBA v2.2 (and later 3.0) so, maybe, I can get some real wargaming action!


One of my New Years' Resolution was to stop being a wargaming butterfly - you can tell how well that has turned out!

Anyway...soldiering on.

More New Arrivals

Received today another set of figures from Vexillia:

2x Mirliton RH 04 - Skirmishers with javelin and Italian shield (4 variants)
1x Mirliton RH 05 - Infantry command (4 variants)

As of today there are 2 more packs of RH04 available (and I'm tempted).  I only got 3 variants in my packs.   The infantry command is too distinctive to make it worth ordering some extras.

1x Mirliton RH 06 - Cavalry command (3 variants)
1x Mirliton RH 08 - Cavalry

The same horses are present in both packs.  In this case the command figures are not too dissimilar to the ordinary cavalry so may be worth ordering.

With my other recent acquisitions I can put together three early 'Italian' DBA armies - Latins, Romans & Etruscans.  Once painted I will be able to substitute more suitable figures into my DBM Latin army. 

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In other news I have been repairing figures/models - here is a sample of the 'before':

These are very old Minifigs 'strip' figures.  Sold as Early Carthaginian 4-horse chariots with driver I am re-painting them as early 'Chinese'.  Watch this space.......

Recruiting a DBN Ottoman Army (Pt.1)

RN012 - Sarika Arquebusier

Most of the DBN list I can fudge from my existing DBM armies - Ottoman Turks and various Arabs.  The exceptions are musket armed figures and artillery:

Compulsories
2 - Ms(M)    Janissaries   
1 - Ms(M)    Sekhans
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12 figures

Optionals
0-1 - Ms          Bostancia guard        
0-2 - Ms(M)    Janissaries           
0-1 - LI(M)     Janissaries           
0-2 - Ms          Nizam               
0-4 - Ms(M)    Sekhans               
0-2 - Jg            Rayas           
0-2 - LI(M)     Derbents
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45 figures

0-1 - HA          French trained Art   
0-2 - FA(M)     Artillery

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So scouting around figure manufacturers I turned up the following:

(A)  http://www.timecastmodels.co.uk/og15renaissance/og15renaissance.html
     (Old Glory figures)
     Standard Packs contain approximately 50 infantry, or 16 cavalry, or 6 guns with
     24 crew, or 45 foot command  figures.

ROT5      JANISSARY ARQUEBUS    
ROT6      JANISSARY MUSKET AND CROSSBOWMEN

 ROT11     TUFEKCHIS/ARNANTS/IRREGULAR INFANTRY MUSKET & ARQUEBUS
 
[The pack size is obviously for grand-scale Napoleonics...still if I went for all the musket options!]

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(B)  https://www.essexminiatures.co.uk/collections/15mm-renaissance-ottoman-turk
     [I think that these infantry are 6 to a pack]

RN05 - Janissaries, handgun
RN012 (see top) - Sarika, arquebus (fez-like hat)  [may be usable as Qajar Persian]

RN013 - Arnaut/Martheloses, musket (turban-ish hat)  [looks slightly more irregular]

RN015 - Persian/Azab handgunner (different hat)

RNO17 - Artillerymen
RXE10 - Eastern medium bombard
RXE12 - Eastern light cannon


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(C)  http://lancashiregames.com/LG3/15mm-ottoman-turks.html
     (Venexia figures.)

OT 23 - Janissaries with muskets (campaign dress) (8 Figures)

OT 34 - Serbian, Croat or Bosnian musketeers (8 Figures) [slightly different hats]

OT 41 - Heavy Artillery and crew (3 Crew & Gun)
OT 42 - Light Artillery and crew (3 Crew & Gun)

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More research needs to be done to find the best matches.  Once I have done that I will post again.

Qajar Persians 2

 A bit more progress on the 'eastern' front.  Using Libre Office Calc and the 1988 list I was able to see what the finished army may look like.
 

		Qajar Persian Army List (alpha)	Figs
Compulsory
	1	Persian Armoured cavalry (gen) – lance & bow	3
	1	Persian LC - bow	2
	1	Mercenary cavalry – bow or jezzails	3
	1	Camelry (mtd inf) – bow	2 or 3
	3	Regular ‘new’ infantry – muskets	12
	2	Irregular warriors – matchlocks	3 or 4
	2	Skirmishers - bow	4
	11
Optional
	1	Irregular warriors – matchlocks	3 or 4
	1	Zamberek Camels - light gun	3
	1	Siege or Medium gun – 3/2 crew + 10/4 horses	1
	14

 Notes: The artillery barely qualifies at 0.3 of an element so is only included for 
             a 'bit of colour'.
            Totals in the second column have not been adjusted for grade.
            The ratio of  1:3 horse to foot is double the 'standard' for Napoleonic armies.

There have been a number of books published since 1988 so there are likely to be copious revisions once I have managed to read one or two of them.

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I also did some figure research - two manufacturers - Khurasan and Irregular. 

(A)  http://khurasanminiatures.tripod.com/qajar-persians.html

Mounted = 3 figs, 3 poses
Foot = 8 figs, 4 poses
Art = 4 figs, 4 poses [no gun]

QP01 - Cavalry - swords, long coats, tall hat
QP02 - Cavalry Command - (1x trumpeter, 1 x std bearer, 1 x sword), long coats, tall hat  
QP03 - Infantry Marchatt - musket, marching, uniformed, tall hat
QP04 - Infantry Skirmishers  - muskets, uniformed, tall hat
QP05 - Infantry Command - (1x drummer, 1 x std bearer, 1 x sword), uniformed, tall hat
QP06 - Infantry Artillery - (4 crew), uniformed, tall hat

NB:  I have added the QP numbers for sake of reference (they do not appear on the website).

The infantry and artillery crew are all uniformed 'new' soldiers.

 (B)  http://irregularminiatures.co.uk/

Armies of the Caucasus (18th & 19thC) - only 1 code in this range is denoted as Qajar:

CAU 1 - Qajar cavalry with lance and bow (see above)

The remainder are a mixed bunch as follows:

Armenians - CAU2
Caucasus - CAU4, CAU12, CAU13, CAU14, CAU15, CAU16
Chechen - CAU3, CAU8, CAU9, CAU10, CAU11
Georgian - CAU5, CAU7, CAU17, CAU18, CAU19, CAU20

Whether all, or some, can be used for the Qajar I do not yet know.  Interestingly the Georgians could provide an historical enemy force.

The irregular elements will, no doubt, have to come from other ranges e.g. Essex have some Zamberek camels.

An Unboxing

 Received today (Sat 22nd) box from Vexillia:

5 x packs of figures plus a free extra die (you can never have too many of them).

As you may know the proprietor is retiring and offering generous discounts. Looking at all the figures I was, initially,  tempted by the Medieval Russians:

C032 - Russian infantry, command group - 4 variants (I got 2 x trumpeters - no std bearer)

CC33 - Alexandr Vevsij, command group - Russians of A.Nevskij 1240-1350

I don't believe that the guy ruled for 110 years (no matter how legendary). 

To make up the numbers (and offset the postage cost of £4.20) I also purchased some Early Romans.  Upon checking the stock list I saw that there were 3 packs left so I took them all.

 RM002 - Medium Spearmen (class II) - Roman 650-338 bc

Not long ago in receipt of a Forged in Battle pack of Etruscans (with pila).  Hopefully when I next put my Latins into action they may have some more suitable Bd figures (and not just Marian Roman substitutes).

Not a bad haul for £14.99 - one DBA army re-enforced (Russians) plus more for the DBM Latins.

Now I'm still on the look out for Gauls...Hmm!

Qajar Persians

This week I was asked about two of my peripheral interests - Qajar Persians & the Taiping Rebellion.

Here's a little on the first of them:

Persian flag of Northern Khanate

My initial research was online (of course).  I even downloaded (and paid for) a pdf on the subject:

"The Persian Army of the Napoleonic Era - Qajar Dynasty 1779 - 1857"
by David F Brown             Publisher:  Evil Gong Press

There were other books available on Amazon and Ebay but not at prices I could afford.

 From my own collection I only discovered one piece of data - an army list:

From: "18th Century Army Lists" by Cheltenham Wargaming Association
by Chris Russell   Published by Tabletop Games 1988
For WRG 1685-1845 rules.  pp37-38

PERSIA

1     C-in-C @ 100 pts
1     Subordinate general per brigade @ 40 pts

Cavalry

6 to 14     Persian Armoured Cavalry - Irregular fanatic skirmishing cavalry
                with lance and bow @ ppf   (3 to 5 units)
6 to 10     Persian Light Cavalry - Irregular fanatic skirmishing cavalry
                with bow @ 9 ppf  (3 to 5 units)
8 to 12     Mercenary Cavalry - Irregular warrior cavalry with bow @ 8 ppf
               (1 to 4 units)
               Extra to make them soldier @ 2 ppf  (up to 2 units)
               If skirmishing cavalry with Jezzails   (up to 2 units)

Infantry

4 to 9      Camelry - Irregular warrior infantry with bow
                mounted on camels @ 5 pts per figure  (up to 2 units)
16 to 24   Regular infantry - Regular raw line infantry @ 3 ppf  (up to 6 units)
                Extras to make them trained @ 1 ppf
16 to 20   Irregular warrior charging infantry with matchlocks @ 3 ppf  (3 or more units)
12 to 16   Skirmishers - Irregular levy skirmishing infantry with bows @ 2 ppf  (2 to 8 units)
                Extra to make them warrior with Jezzails  @ 1 ppf (up to half units fielded)
2 to 10    Zamberek Camels - Regular raw gunners with very light gun mounted on a camel
               @ 16 ppf  (up to 1 unit) 

Artillery

2 to 5     Siege guns each with 3 raw regular crew, limber with 10 horses and
              levy drivers @ 69 pts  (up to 2 units)
             One unit can be medium gun with 2 crew and 4 horses @ 45 pts.

NOTES

This list is suitable for Persian armies including Nadir Shah's invasion of India 1739
and wars against Russia 1722-23 and 1801. 

ppf = points per figure

I tried to contact the author and Cheltenham Wargaming Association but without success.

I asked yesterday at the club if anyone had a copy of the old WRG rules.  I only got blank looks.  Oh well!  Maybe somebody will turn up a copy from their archives.  An understanding of the points system and classifications would be most helpful.

For next time I will prepare a list of my online research....and maybe a bit on the Taiping Rebellion.

Vapnartak 2020

I managed to get there and back without any trouble - phew!!!  Heavy mist / low cloud on the way out but no snow (that's a rarity).  80 mile round trip.

Didn't seem to be as many demo games as usual.  Notably absent were Peter Pig and Society of Ancients.  Not much in the way of paper goods either (books, rules, etc).  Bring & Buy much better organised - actually managed to see what was on offer and buy something.

So here's my very modest loot list:

1 x box Revell Aztecs (Mr McNulty got there before me and snaffled all the Persians).
3 x Khmer cavalry plus artillery piece with crew (Irregular) - all destined for Ian's army.
1 x carton of Etruscan hoplites with pilum (Forged in Battle) - ordered, yet to receive.

Met plenty of people - even one from King's Lynn!

Found a company importing and selling Eureka miniatures to the UK.  Didn't have a DBA list handy unfortunately.  Need to check what I might require in the future. 

Was going to buy some Donningtons but the stall seemed somewhat disorganised - if you were not taking the blister packs they were not interested in talking to you.  Curious!

A huge show with plenty on display but I can't help feeling that something was missing!  Still, by far, the best wargames show in the north.

Maya, Tupi & DBA v3

Spurred on by Ian's remark that I should be sorting out my 15mm Meso-Americans.  I actually bestirred myself into action.

 Maya numerical system

On Saturday I took along the secondary box to sort out some Maya and Tupi figures.  We managed to sort out 4 x DBA v3.0 armies.  About 2/3 of my Mayans are painted and all of my Tupi.  Few of the figures I gave Ian had any paint on them.  Both of us will have to get the brushes out.

The next stage is to identify what I have among the Incas and 'Aztecs' - at first glance not even a single DBA army.

Given a shortage of time we did, however, manage a few games:

DBN (v1) - Prussians v Austrians - 5:2 win.  Ian has downloaded a copy of DBN v2 but not yet printed it out.  Once that is done we can check out the differences.

DBA (v3) - 2.22f  Arabo-Aramean v 2.37  Parthian - 5:0 win.  The terrain fell to my liking and I retained the plowed fields.  This meant that my archers could safely pepper away at the mounted opposition.

DBA (v3) - 2.2  Lombard v 2.17  Maurikian Byzantine - 5:2 win.  My left flank was under attack whilst I was unable to throw better than 2 for movement.  The signs did not look good until a fortuitous 5 got me out of trouble.  The odd 6:1 may have helped as well.  A closer game than the result would suggest.

On the previous Saturday we had played 3 x pick-up games of DBA v3:

Early Bulgars v Thematic Byzantine - 4:1 loss

Gauls v Umbrians - 4:2 win

Latins v Etruscans - 4:1 loss

As you can see it's a game of skill!

Early Italians

I happened to mention that I was researching some info on Early Italians at the club when I was told, firmly, to publish my findings. Sorry about the formatting but what you prepare seems to bear little relation to what actually gets on-screen.



Apulian

ANC 20159 - Apulian Infantry                                     XYS
ITA 14 - Apulian Infantry, tunic, jav & hoplon            TS
ITA 15 - Apulian Command, officers & horn              TS
ITC 04 - Apulian Heavy Cavalry, jav & round sh        DONb
ITC 07 - Apulian Cvalry, jav                                        DONb
ITF 20 - Apulian, jav & hoplon                                   DONb
ITF 21 - Apulian, jav & hoplon                                   DONb
ITF 22 - Apulian, Et-Cor, jav, hoplon                          DONb
ITF 23 - Apulian, Pilos, jav & hoplon                         DONb
ITF 24 - Apulian, triple disc, jav & hoplon                 DONb
ITF 25 - Apulian Officer, sw & hoplon                      DONb
ITF 26 - Apulian, jav & hoplon                                  DONb
ITF 30 - Apulian, horned, jav & hoplon                     DONb
ITI 18 - Apulian Javelin & shield                               MMa

Campanian

ANC 20170 - Campanian Hoplites                             XYS
ITA 9 - Campanian Hoplite, cloak, sp & hoplon        TS
ITA 10 - Campainian Hoplite, triple disc cuirass,
               sp & hoplon                                                  TS
ITA 11 - Campanian Unarmoured Cavalry, jav          TS
ITA 12 - Campanian Armoured Cavalry,
sp & scutum    TS
ITF 01 - Campnian Hoplite Officer                            DONb
ITF 02 - Campanian Hoplite, long sp & hoplon         DONb
ITF 03 - Campanian Hoplite, long sp & hoplon         DONb
ITF 04 - Campanian Hoplite, triple disc cuirass,
              long sp & hoplon                                          DONb
ITF 05 - Campanian Hoplite, central disc,
               long sp & hoplon                                         DONb
ITI 15 - Campanian Cavalry                                       MMa
VIL 15 - Campanian medium cavalry 4-1st c BC      MY
WE-RA03 - Campanian Cavalry, jav & sh                 FIB
WE-RA05 - Campanian Hoplites, long spear & sh    FIB

Etruscans

ET 001 - Etruscan Hoplite, front rank                   MIR
ET 002 - Etruscan Hoplite, second rank                MIR
ET 003 - Etruscan Infantry                                    MIR
ET 004 - Etruscan Infantry, sword & axe              MIR
ET 005 - Etruscan Axemen                                    MIR
ET 006 - Etruscan Light Infantry, javs, no sh        MIR
ET 007 - Etruscan Bowmen & Slingers                 MIR
ET 008 - Etruscan Infantry Command Group        MIR
ET 009 - Etruscan Cavalry Command Group        MIR
ET 010 - Etruscan Heavy Cavalry                          MIR
ET 011 - Etruscan Light Cavalry                           MIR
ET 012 - Light Chariot, King Porsenna of Clusium    MIR
ET 013 - Etruscan Hordes                                     MIR
ITA 16 - Etruscan Hoplite                                     TS
ITA 17 - Etruscan Hoplite                                    TS
ITA 18 - Etruscan Cavalry, cuirass, sp & sh        TS
ITC 08 - Etruscan HC, monte,sp & sh                DONb
ITC 09 - Etruscan HC, attic, sp & sh                  DONb
ITC 10 - Mtd Etruscan Officer/Gen                   DONb
ITC 11 - Mtd Etruscan Std Bearer                     DONb
ITF 33 - Etruscan Slinger, wide hat                    DONb
ITF 34 - Etruscan Officer, Etr-Cor, sw & hoplon        DONb
ITF 35 - Etruscan Std Bearer, attic, hoplon                 DONb
ITF 36 - Etruscan Hoplite, attic, long sp & hoplon     DONb
ITF 37 - Etruscan Hoplite, negau, long sp & hoplon    DONb
ITF 38 - Etruscan Hoplite, italian, long sp & hoplon    DONb
ITF 39 - Etruscan Hoplite, italian, long sp & hoplon    DONb
ITF 40 - Etruscan Hoplite, monte, long sp & hoplon    DONb
ITF 41 - Etruscan, negau, pilum & hoplon                    DONb
ITF 42 - Etruscn, thracian, pilum & hoplon                  DONb
ITF 43 - Etruscan, crest, musc, pilum & hoplon            DONb
ITF 44 - Etruscan, crest, greek, pilum & hoplon           DONb
ITF 45 - Etruscan, Etr-Cor, scale, pilum & hoplon       DONb
ITF 46 - Etruscan, monte, scale, pilum & hoplon        DONb
ITF 47 - Etruscan, attic, disc, pilum & hoplon             DONb
ITF 48 - Etruscan Javelinman, jav, no sh                     DONb
ITI 10 - Etruscan Chariot                                             MMa
ITI 16 - Etruscan Javelinmen                                       MMa
VIL 7 - Etruscan Heavy Infantry 7-6TH c BC            MY
VIL 8 - Tarquinia 1st class warrior 5-4th c BC           MY
VIL 11 - Hoplite south Etruscan 6-3RD c BC            MY
VIL 12 - Etruscan Axeman light Infantry etc             MY
WE-RA01 - Etruscan Hoplites, pilum & sh               FIB
WE-RA02 - Etruscan Hoplites, long spear & sh        FIB
WE-RA09 - Etruscan Heavy Cavalry, jav & sh         FIB

Generic 'Italian'

ITA 13 - Command Pack, officers, std  bearer,
         (suit Campanian, Etruscan or Samnite)                  TS
ITA 19 - Mounted Hoplite, slung sh                               TS
ITC 05 - Mounted Apulian/Samnite Officer, round sh    DONb
ITC 06 - Mounted Italian General                                   DONb
ITF 19 - Italian Officer, sw & hoplon                             DONb
ITF 31 - Italian Peasant Archer                                       DONb
ITF 32 - Italian Peasant Skirmisher, jav & sh                 DONb
ITI 12 - Italian Hoplites with
             Etrusco-Corinthian helmets                                MMa
RC 86 - Italian Hoplite Style Infantry                             IRR
RC 87 - Italian Infantry Javelinman                                 IRR
RC 88 - Italian Cavalryman                                             IRR
VIL 6 - Later Spearman, Greek ‘hoplon’                        MY
VIL 9 - Vil / Italian / Etruscan bowman                         MY
VIL 10 - General in chariot                                            MY
VIL 16 - Light Cavalry 6-1st c BC                                 MY
VIL 19 - Light infantry running with javelin                  MY
VIL 20 - Vil/Italian/ Etruscan light infantry Psiloi         MY
VIL 21 - Vil/Italian/ Etruscan light infantry Slinger      MY
WE-RA04 - Italian Light Infantry, jav & sh                  FIB

Latins

ITA 5 - Latin Infantry, cuirass, sp & scutum                 TS
ITA 6 - Latin Light Infantry, sp/jav & sh                      TS
ITA 7 - Latin Command, officers & std bearer             TS
ITA 8 - Latin Cavalry, sp & small round sh                  TS
LAT 1 - Heavy Cavalry, sword shield & helmet         MY
LAT 2 - Light Cavalry spear and shield                      MY
LAT 3 - Heavy Spearmen/sword with shield & helmet     MY

Ligurians

AUC 23 - Ligurian Spearmen                                 MMb
AUC 24 - Ligurian Foot Command                       MMb
AUC 31 - Ligurian Axemen                                  MMb
CAR 15 - Ligurian Javelinman                             MMa
LGF 01 - Officer, tunic, Villanovan style helmet,
                Celtic long shield                                  DONa
LGF 02 - Standard Bearer, tunic, Celtic long sh        DONa
LGF 03 - Hornblower, tunic , Celtic long sh             DONa
LGF 04 - Warrior, tunic, jav, Celtic long sh             DONa
LGF 05 - Warrior, tunic, spear, Celtic long sh         DONa
LGF 06 - Warrior, tunic, spear, Celtic long sh         DONa
LGF 07 - Warrior, tunic, spear, Celtic long sh         DONa
LGF 08 - Axeman, tunic, axe, Celtic long sh          DONa

Lucanian

ITC 03 - Lucanian Heavy Cavalry, jav & round sh      DONb
ITF 15 - Lucanian, musc cuirass, jav & hoplon          DONb
ITF 16 - Lucanian, central disc, jv & hoplon             DONb
ITF 17 - Lucanian, triple disc, jav & hoplon             DONb
ITF 18 - Lucanian, jav & hoplon                               DONb
ITF 29 - Lucanian, jav & hoplon                               DONb

Oscan

ANC 20157 - Oscan Javelinmen with Scutum                          XYS  
ANC 20158 - Oscan Armoured Infantry with Hoplite Shield    XYS
ITI 11 - Oscan Spearman                                                            MMa
ITI 12 - Oscan Hoplite                                                                MMa
ITI 14 - Oscan Cavalry                                                               MMa
ITI 17 - Oscan Javelin & shield                                                 MMa
RA 06 - Oscan Armoured Peltast, jav & sh                               FIB
WE-RA07 - Oscan Heavy Cavalry, jav & sh                            FIB
WE-RA08 - Oscan Unarmoured Peltasts - jav & sh                 FIB

Samnites

ITA 1 - Samnite Infantry, jav & small round sh                        TS
ITA 2 - Samnite Infantry, sword & oval scutum                        TS
ITA 3 - Samnite Infantry, sp/jav & small round sh                    TS
ITA 4 - Samnite Armoured Infantry, sp & oval scutum            TS
ITC 01 - Samnite Heavy Cavalry, jav & round sh                   DONb
ITC 02 - Samnite Cavalry, jav & round sh                              DONb
ITF 06 - Samnite, jav, scutum                                                 DONb
ITF 07 - Samnite, central disc, jav & scutum                         DONb
ITF 08 - Samnite, triple disc, jav & round sh                         DONb
ITF 09 - Samnite, triple disc, jav & scutum                           DONb
ITF 10 - Samnite, jav & scutum                                             DONb
ITF 11 - Samnite, musc cuirass, jav & scutum                      DONb
ITF 12 - Samnite, triple disc, jav & scutum                           DONb
ITF 13 - Samnite, jav & scutum                                              DONb
ITF 14 - Samnite, jav & scutum                                              DONb
ITF 27 - Samnite, jav & scutum                                              DONb
ITF 28 - Samnite Officer, scutum                                            DONb
SAM 01 - Comando                                                                Str
SAM 02 - Fanteria                                                                  Str
SAM 03 - Fanteria in Combattimento                                    Str
SAM 04 - Cavalleria                                                              Str
VIL 17 - Samnite Heavy infantry 4-2nd c BC                      MY

Syracusan

VIL 18 - Syracusan Hoplite 5-3rd c BC                                MY

Villanovan

VIL 1 - Light Chariot 2 horse 1 crew                                    MY
VIL 2 - Light Cavalry                                                           MY
VIL 3 - Spearmen Swordsmen with round shields              MY
VIL 4 - Auxilia with oval shields, spears and axes             MY
VIL 5 - Light infantry with Javelin and Bows                    MY
VNC 01 - Mounted General                                               DONc
VNC 02 - Mounted Standard Bearer                                  DONc
VNC 03 - Mounted Noble                                                  DONc
VNC 04 - Mounted Warrior                                               DONc
VNC 05 - Mounted Warrior                                               DONc
VNCH 01 - Two-Horse Chariot, gen & driver                  DONc
VNF 01 - Noble, sw & scutum                                          DONc
VNF 02 - Standard Bearer                                                DONc
VNF 03 - Spearman, sp & scutum                                    DONc
VNF 04 - Spearman, sp & scutum                                    DONc
VNF 05 - Spearman, sp & scutum                                    DONc
VNF 06 - Axeman, quilted tunic, axe                              DONc
VNF 07 - Noble, sw & round sh                                      DONc
VNF 08 - Noble, sp & round sh                                       DONc
VNF 09 - Spearman, sp & round sh                                 DONc
VNF 10 - Spearman, sp & round sh                                 DONc
VNF 11 - Spearman, sp & round sh                                 DONc
VNF 12 - Spearman, sp & round sh                                 DONc
VNF 13 - Javelinman, jav & scutum                                DONc
VNF 14 - Javelinman, jav & scutum                                DONc
VNF 15 - Javelinman, jav & scutum                                DONc
VNF 16 - Javelinman, jav & scutum                                DONc   

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 KEY

 DON - (a)  https://shop.ancient-modern.co.uk/ligurians-26-c.asp
      (b)  https://shop.ancient-modern.co.uk/ancient-italian-states-22-c.asp
      (c)  https://shop.ancient-modern.co.uk/villanovan-italian-21-c.asp
FIB - https://www.forgedinbattle.com/index.php?route=product/category&path=126_161_137
IRR - http://irregularminiatures.co.uk/
MM - (a) https://www.magistermilitum.com/scale/15-mm.html?p=6&cat%5B1%5D=62231
     (b)  https://www.magistermilitum.com/scale/15-mm.html?cat%5B0%5D=59626&p=3
MIR - http://www.mirliton.it/historical-15mm/etruscan  [no UK link (Italian import)]
MY - http://www.spanglefish.com/mickyarrowminiatures/index.asp?pageid=188024
Str - http://www.strategianova.it/soldatini-e-resine/miniature-wars-15-mm/sanniti?zenid=ta383735sjpcoh7lsvk076nod3
TS - Tin Soldier - https://tinsoldieruk.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=186_200&zenid=qblla9p27i51nfut4oqfdscpb3
XYS - https://shop.ancient-modern.co.uk/italiotes-158-c.asp